Candid conversations with directors on the interests and insights that have shaped their careers.
Most valuable career lesson?
I’ve had some great mentors in my career who showed me the way to get people engaged is to ask them, not to tell them.
In my role at Orica, I asked groups of people in each of our locations what they thought we did and didn’t do well and, if we were the best in the world, what would it look like? Then I’d ask them to write it down.
If you approach it in this way, you’ll probably get the same answers you would come up with yourself, but it gives a sense of ownership and creates enormous commitment. That was a great lesson for me.
Early career risk that paid off?
I started out as a civil engineer, but enjoyed the business side more than the technical side. I did an MBA and applied for a job in the finance department at a mining company, but it turned out to be trading foreign exchange.
I got the job, even though I knew nothing about it. I thought, I’ll just watch the other folk and pick it up. But the other folk weren’t there.
They’d all been fired, which is why I got the job. Within three or four years, I was a CFO. Looking back, it was a huge leap that made a big difference. I think incrementalism gets you nowhere in life.
Top-of-mind governance issue?
For the industries I’ve worked in, safety is the key issue. It has a quantum level of concern above other issues.
Prediction on the future of leadership?
Leaders have to be prepared to change long-held attitudes very quickly. The role of the leader is to look out the window at the big changes that are coming, otherwise you’ll miss the boat.
Favourite method to unwind?
I set myself unreasonably high goals and keep raising the bar. Looking back, I wish I’d been a bit more balanced, because nothing comes for free.
It’s important to rest your mind, but as it’s like a muscle, it also needs other activities. I’m trying to learn the German language again.
I grew up in Papua New Guinea, and there were a number of Germans there at the time. I studied the language at school and did a couple of courses along the way, but never finished it off.
Favourite book?
I’m not sure about a favourite, but I’m a member of a book club, so I read a lot of books I otherwise wouldn’t. I’m reading A Gentleman in Moscow by Amor Towles, set in post-revolutionary Russia.
Go-to exercise routine?
I get on a cross trainer in the mornings and do intermittent training where you go flat-out for eight seconds and slow for 12 seconds, for 20 minutes. It really gets your blood flowing. I also play golf, which is impossible to master.
Favourite travel spot?
I love the North Island Okavango game park in Botswana. I remember watching a leopard spend an hour creeping through the grass towards her prey. It got away in the end and she moved on.
Directorships
Chair Orica, non-executive director Walter & Eliza Hall Institute, council member Opportunity International Australia. Formerly chair Asciano and director BHP Group and Coates Hire Group
This article first appeared under the headline ‘Favourites’ in the March 2025 issue of Company Director magazine.
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